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Kingsley Shacklebolt (theminister) wrote,
@ 2009-06-14 04:50:00

DUMBLEDORE'S ARMY

So my hitwizards were pretty surprised when they arrived at the scene last night and found fifteen or so of you lot there and Healers already called from Mungo's.

Harry said you lot are all going to keep your eyes open in the journals, which I think is great since with all that's going on lately, but I think we should work out some procedures for any other situations that may come up so things aren't quite as hectic.
Contact the DMLE first thing. Sending me an owl is going to take a while, especially if I'm inside the Ministry, then I've got to contact the DMLE. Best thing to do is contact the DMLE directly - Neville said you lot have your own way of communicating, and I'm pretty sure it's not the way I have, which is the best way to contact the DMLE. I can show you lot how to use your Patronuses as messengers.
Please don't send for St. Mungo's right away - if it's a situation like what happened with Daniel, the hitwizards need to ensure that the area is safe before Healers can go out there.

Everything turned out all right, and I'm real glad, but we don't know what could happen next (especially since now there's no reasonable doubt this 'Hortense' is not a dangerous person) and following this could make a big difference.

I have a bit more to say about 'Hortense' and safety on the journals now that there are most likely Death Eaters with these, but I'm going to address it where everyone can see it, not just Dumbledore's Army.

Thanks.

And in case you were wondering, I got all your names from Harry, though don't get mad at him - I did see the list a few years back when I had to Obliviate that ginger.

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Minister Shacklebolt.

antoninus
2009-06-14 04:19 am UTC (link)

Sir, you are absolutely correct and I agree with everything you've written here; and I'm sorry if my presence might have lead to the obstruction of justice in some way, which it most likely did, and will do my best to act more rationally in the future. However, from personal experience -- and I do not mean to belittle the work and motivation of other DA members -- I'm thinking you are going to have a very difficult time convincing most of those you are addressing here not to continue playing 'hero'; they're very difficult to reason with once they have it in their heads that it's their personal responsibility to get involved in everything, and if one tries to point out why it might not be the best idea, it never goes over well with them at all.

That said, given that you are the Minister for Magic and everybody reading this seems to trust and respect you, perhaps they will listen to reason this time. Additionally, I do not think I introduced myself to you earlier, but my name is Anthony Goldstein, and I am a former Ravenclaw currently ~~'volunteering'~~ volunteering in the archives.

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Mr. Goldstein

theminister
2009-06-14 10:59 am UTC (link)

Luckily for me then, my goal here isn't to convince them not to do anything, just to change the ways they will do things. I honestly don't have time to devote to gathering information on these journals, so if Dumbledore's Army is able to help me out, I'm not going to turn that away.

And it is real nice to meet you, Anthony. I look forward to seeing you on Monday.

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Minister Shacklebolt.

antoninus
2009-06-14 01:28 pm UTC (link)

With all due respect, sir, I'm not sure if that would be taken well by certain members either -- again, based on ~~present~~ past experience, I would predict a sentiment along the lines of how the DA was the most mature and competent group of students this past year, and how dare adults order us about in any way now when we know what we're doing and we'll do things our own way. Understandably though, I think I've read literature before about people having difficulty re-integrating to a normal 'civilian' lifestyle after active service, so perhaps that's what it is. And it's not the information finding that is the issue -- I am completely behind that, and you're right, as I would imagine you do not have much time as Minister to read these frequently -- rather that I worry some DA members (and others) might go too far in taking things into their own hands and actually try to take on the escaped Death Eaters themselves when we have a proper DMLE now, making vigilante efforts not entirely necessary anymore.

It's a pleasure meeting you as well, Minister Shacklebolt, but might I ask why you'll be seeing me on Monday? I'm trying to reason through why that might be the case, and I do not think I did anything horribly wrong recently ~~aside from using --~~, but I have to admit that it is somewhat unsettling.

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Mr. Goldstein

theminister
2009-06-14 01:41 pm UTC (link)

I'm glad for the warning, but I really don't think what I'm asking here is unreasonable and if these certain members do take it that way, I frankly don't give a damn. I do have the legal authority to forbid any contact with Death Eaters, to forbid anyone from going to a place such as Sefton Park after a note like that has been left should I choose to exercise it, given that these are most likely dark wizards and thus any dealings with them do fall only to the Auror department. I am not doing this because I'm not Rufus Scrimgeour, as much as I respected the man, and I do not fully agree with everything he did. I understand the impact the DA made upon the battle and I respect that as well, and my actions will take that into account.

You'll see.

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Minister Shacklebolt.

antoninus
2009-06-14 01:42 pm UTC (link)

I do not think it is either -- it's not unlike advising people in the non-magical world not to run out and fight fires or apprehend dangerous criminals themselves when they should contact emergency services -- and you're right that this is sort of thing is the Auror Office's responsibility. And I think for some, even legal sanctions would not stop them from doing reckless things out of revenge or a desire to continue playing hero, but I suppose that's really all that can be done at best and it might hold some back from otherwise putting themselves in danger.

As for Monday, I suppose I will see you then.

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	Mr. Goldstein theminister 2009-06-14 04:04 pm UTC (link)
	~~I don't think you've entirely~~ That's mostly it. Now I've got to run to supper, though, so I must cut this short. Ciao. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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sceptical
2009-06-14 05:18 am UTC (link)

with all due respect, sir, on your second point, we did assure ourselves that area was secure before the Mungo's team arrived. of course, you are welcome to point out that we haven't the formal training to secure anything, but at the very least we would have provided shielding to give the Mungo's team time to escape.

I don't say this to argue with your points but because I would hate you to think we are being irresponsible or rash, neither of which is true. I was the first on the scene and advised contact of the DMLE and caution while I, and those who arrived soon after, secured the perimetre.

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theminister
2009-06-14 10:47 am UTC (link)

I understand, and given the circumstances, I believe you acted quite well. You have recently entered Auror training, am I right Miss MacDougal? You'll soon find that the lesson of not inviting Healers onto the scene until things are fully cleared will be drilled into your head repeatedly for the next three years.

I don't think you're being irresponsible or rash, I just am asking for it to be done differently in the future because I know from experience what could happen in a worst-case scenario. I also believe this is doubly important for you as an Auror Trainee, since any situation you find yourself in, whether you are on duty or not, can and will be used in your evaluations.

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sceptical
2009-06-14 02:18 pm UTC (link)

you are correct, Sir, and I certainly did advise caution prior to their arrival. I suppose it is inappropriate to place that responsibility on those whose sole purpose is healing, however, as they may place others lives above their own. that did not occur to me in the heat of the moment.

understood. I hope this isn't something that has reflected poorly on me, or the other trainees, as it was my impression that being an auror was not simply a matter of doing things by the book -- though of course you should correct me if I am mistaken.

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	same wards theminister 2009-06-14 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	I would not say it would. However, I will say that being an auror is not a matter of not going by the book. It is a matter of giving your all while still knowing your limitations, respecting those limitatins, and most importantly, learning from your experiences. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	same wards sceptical 2009-06-14 04:03 pm UTC (link)
	my meaning was, rather, that I am of the impression that aurors aren't only expected to abide by the rules without other considerations. thank you for the advice. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	same wards theminister 2009-06-14 04:57 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I know. But that sort of judgement comes only with experience and an auror should never aim to break the rules - they are not infallible and certainly make mistakes, and do have to answer for their actions. Good luck. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Miss MacDougal theminister 2009-06-14 04:58 pm UTC (link)
	And, for the record, I think you'll make a fine auror. You've got spirit. Don't prove me wrong. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Minister Shacklebolt sceptical 2009-06-14 05:05 pm UTC (link)
	thank you sir, I shall certainly endeavour to justify that impression. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Minister Shacklebolt. theotherginger 2009-06-14 07:40 am UTC (link)
	With all due respect, I wouldn't have called Healers if I wasn't sure that they were specific Healers who could take care of themselves. Like Aunt Hes. ~~Maybe you should reprimand her too~~ (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Megan Jones. theminister 2009-06-14 10:49 am UTC (link)
	It's fine, Megan. You aunt and I have actually already talked about it even. I just ask it be done differently in the future. (Reply to this) (Parent)